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<DIV><SPAN class=258532105-01092005><FONT face=Arial>It's the frog in the pot
problem. If you heat the water slowly enough the frog doesn't recognize when it
is high time to jump out of the pot. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=258532105-01092005><FONT face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=258532105-01092005><FONT face=Arial>I live in earthquake
country. The San Andreas fault is maybe 15 miles from here. I have
been through a few big ones already. The people of New Orleans have been below
sea level for a long while. . . <!--StartFragment --> From the Slate site:
"The city sits on the banks of the Mississippi, where sediment from the river
had created areas of elevated land called "natural levees." New Orleans'
earliest buildings sat on top of these levees, but as the population grew,
houses were built farther inland at lower elevations. To create usable land,
water had to be pumped out of the area, which in turn caused the ground to sink
even lower. It's possible for part of New Orleans to exist below sea level
because the levees that surround the city protect it (most of the time) from
floods. "http://slate.msn.com/id/2125229/?nav=tap3</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=258532105-01092005><FONT face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=258532105-01092005><FONT face=Arial>Since Sunday Randy Newman's
"Louisiana 1927" has played continually through the back of my
mind.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=258532105-01092005><FONT face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=258532105-01092005><FONT face=Arial>"Louisiana, Louisiana,
they're trying to wash us away, they're trying to wash us away."
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=258532105-01092005><FONT face=Arial><A
href="http://www.randynewman.com/tocdiscography/disc_guilty/lyricsguilty1#louisiana1927">http://www.randynewman.com/tocdiscography/disc_guilty/lyricsguilty1#louisiana1927</A></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=258532105-01092005><FONT face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Martha E. Ture</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Research Director</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>www.buyblue.org</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
bearwithoutborders-bounces@people-link5.inch.com
[mailto:bearwithoutborders-bounces@people-link5.inch.com]<B>On Behalf Of
</B>Hunter Gray<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, August 31, 2005 3:04
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Friends of Hunter Bear; NJSalter@msn.com;
Redbadbear@yahoogroups.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [BearwWthoutBorders]
Victimology<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3>At least a big part of the problem is the arrogance of
urban/industrial society and culture which assume across class lines that
Nature can be "conquered" and "suppressed" and forever repressed. The
concept of adjusting to Nature is alien to the urban Euro-American
perspective. When a massive forest fire, decades ago, threatened
Flagstaff, Arizona, people turned out en masse -- across ethnic and social
class lines -- and successfully defended the town. They [we] were
prepared, not surprised. A few years later, elk hunters from Phoenix and
Tucson failed to heed continual weather warnings and at least 19
died in the snow-drenched yellow pine forests. John [Beba] and I
were in New Orleans together years ago and both of us noted the unreality of
the city's below-level relationship to the Gulf. [I had been there
earlier on various occasions and it had always troubled
me.] </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3>In 1991, living in Grand Forks, North Dakota, I sensed
that the Red River of the North could easily do something wild and
destructive. Although some people ridiculed us, I moved my family far
out to the west of town. As the hideous blizzard-ridden winter of
1996-97 built up, we smelled Flood and began to stockpile food. When ice
storms struck down hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of power poles, we
stockpiled water. As high water began to come down the Red,
flood warnings were issued which many ignored. At one point,
talking with an Anglo friend in town -- himself usually very savvy -- I
was surprised when he failed to recognize or respond to my discreet query
about his flood protection plans. When the Flood struck two days
later and the dikes broke, the whole setting was inundated with high
water and sweeping fires and more than 50,000 people [almost all of the
city's population] were forced out: to the hinterland and into the
adjacent Canadian provinces and Montana and South Dakota and the
Twin Cities of Minnesota. [Most did not have flood insurance.]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3>The massive Flood came within 300 yards of our home.
Electricity and plumbing were gone. We had gotten Coleman lanterns long
before, burned some wood, used water from a neighbor's Sump Pump for latrine
and flushing purposes, and eventually got more drinking
water -- from the Buffalo Farm to the west. Then the Army
finally came. Our house served as one of the command posts and we tried
to help everyone that we could. The town itself has never really
recovered.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3>Here in Idaho, we are among the relatively few who have
earthquake insurance and an escape plan.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3>Beba is a compassionate soul and I may be -- but
it is not being heartless or oblivious to hideous tragedy to
suggest that people learn to take care of themselves and their
families.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>HUNTER GRAY [HUNTER BEAR/JOHN R SALTER JR] Mi'kmaq /St.
Francis<BR> Abenaki/St. Regis Mohawk<BR> <A
href="http://www.hunterbear.org">www.hunterbear.org</A><BR>Protected by
Na´shdo´i´ba´i´<BR> and Ohkwari'</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Check out Surprise Tribute:<BR><A
href="http://www.hunterbear.org/special_tribute_page_for_hunter.htm">http://www.hunterbear.org/special_tribute_page_for_hunter.htm</A></DIV>
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<DIV>In our Gray Hole, the ghosts often dance in the junipers and sage, on
the<BR>game trails, in the tributary canyons with the thick red maples, and on
the<BR>high windy ridges -- and they dance from within the very essence of our
own<BR>inner being. They do this especially when the bright night moon shines
down<BR>on the clean white snow that covers the valley and its
surroundings. Then<BR>it is as bright as day -- but in an always soft
and mysterious and<BR>remembering way. [Hunter Bear]</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=sam.friedman@ndri.org href="mailto:sam.friedman@ndri.org">Sam
Friedman</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=NJSalter@msn.com
href="mailto:NJSalter@msn.com">NJSalter@msn.com</A> ; <A
title=bearwithoutborders@people-link5.inch.com
href="mailto:bearwithoutborders@people-link5.inch.com">bearwithoutborders@people-link5.inch.com</A>
; <A title=Redbadbear@yahoogroups.com
href="mailto:Redbadbear@yahoogroups.com">Redbadbear@yahoogroups.com</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, August 31, 2005 3:07
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [BearwWthoutBorders]
Victimology</DIV>
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<DIV>Walk to where? WIth the uncertainty of where the storm would go and how
hard the winds would blow, there was a reasonable probability that you would
leave a relatively safe area and have a tree or building blown down on you
while you were on foot. And the authorities were saying to go to the
Superdome or equivalent places. Under those circumstances, would you
want to walk through even 40 mile an hour squalls with three young
children?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>And Big Bill also could hunt to get food. For many urban raised
people, this is not an option. And relying on the kindness of
strangers to keep you fed is an iffy proposition in the USA these
days--perticularly for the poor and black.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Actually, as the discussions on the SNCC list-serve make it clear, a
lot of poor people did find ways to leave--but a lot did not. I would
not blame those who did not without a thorough understanding of their
circumstances.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>But I agree with you that it would be nice if the grat majority did
fight back more!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>best</DIV>
<DIV>sam<BR><BR>>>> NJSalter@msn.com 8/31/2005 4:59:46 PM
>>><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>At what point should victims--of oppression, weather, etc--be expected
to fight and not wait for help? The hurricane, for example. Even
the poorest can start walking when they hear the news--plenty of time in
advance--and keep on walking until they get somewhere safe. I don't
want to sound heartless but have we created a society in which we simply
enable victimology and don't teach the lessons of survival? Big Bill
Haywood had a sack of pistols and didn't whine for the guys in white hats to
save his ass when trouble was coming. He took care of himself and
his.</DIV></DIV>
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