<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Ricochet may be interesting, and you SHOULD be able to build a no-metadata-leaks IM on Tor, but it wasn’t well-served by that horrible story in Wired, which was all rah-rah cheerleading from the insider, no external voices, full of silly cliches: “High-school drop-out defeats the NSA!!!†  ricochet-im/ricochet is kind of quiet…</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 6:20 AM, Nathan of Guardian <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nathan@guardianproject.info" target="_blank">nathan@guardianproject.info</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=""><br>
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On Thu, Sep 18, 2014, at 12:38 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:<br>
> So the ideal would be if Bleep also provided some kind of p2p proxy for<br>
> the<br>
> direct connections. And of course, it needs to be open source to be<br>
> taken<br>
> seriously.<br>
<br>
</span>They should have learned more from Twister: <a href="http://twister.net.co/" target="_blank">http://twister.net.co/</a> since<br>
they have thought about the metadata issue a lot:<br>
<br>
"twister is the fully decentralized P2P microblogging platform<br>
leveraging from the free software implementations of Bitcoin and<br>
BitTorrent protocols."<br>
<br>
The other news yesterday was about Richocet aka Invsible.IM, which is<br>
basically just TorChat evolved (P2P hidden service chat). Unfortunately,<br>
it has a very fragile binary protocol, and depends on the idea of<br>
massive scaling of Tor Hidden Services, which they were not designed to<br>
do:<br>
<br>
<a href="https://github.com/ricochet-im/ricochet" target="_blank">https://github.com/ricochet-im/ricochet</a><br>
<br>
Any comment or update from Briar folk about either of these systems?<br>
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