[guardian-dev] Lil' Debi criticism

Hans-Christoph Steiner hans at guardianproject.info
Fri Feb 24 14:52:21 EST 2012

I just posted to the forum with information about the sources to
everything and how to build it.  Its rough at the moment, but the aim is
to have the whole thing built from source, then automated in our Jenkins
build server.  This is just the first step.


I'm also about to commit the source and build system for the
'pkgdetails' binary to the lildebi repo.  The rest of the binaries are
directly derived from other projects.


On 02/24/2012 11:57 AM, Paul Sokolovsky wrote:
> Hello,
> On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 10:57:53 -0500
> Nathan of Guardian <nathan at guardianproject.info> wrote:
>> On 02/24/2012 05:39 AM, Paul Sokolovsky wrote:
>>> Sorry if I didn't make it clear, but that was my post. So, please
>>> don't extend anything to the whole project ;-).
>> Okay, but we should reply there, right? If we want LilDebi included in
>> F-Droid?
> You're for sure welcome to participate in F-Droid forums, be it about
> a specific application, or about anything else! And the most direct way
> for any software to be included in F-Droid is to make a recipe for it,
> test is, and submit merge request via gitorious. Otherwise, some of
> volunteers may look into doing that. I did and those were issues I
> faced.
>>>>> However, rhetoric like "do they consider their users worthy" and
>>>>> "if they really cared..." is just over the top.
>>> Yup, I love that Free Speech thing ;-). Don't take it personally and
>>> glad if it would help anyway. 
>> We love Free Speech, as well, and of course Free Beer/Pizza/Burritos,
>> when it makes sense. I just wish people would give the benefit of the
>> doubt more in these types of cases... I mean, look we took them time
>> and energy to do something really nuts, try to get Debian running on
>> Android via a simple one-click process, so I think you can assume
>> from that, we care about free software fundamentally.
> I find Lil' Debi's idea very neat and for sure appreciate it, that's
> why I went with making a recipe for it and communicating back to you
> issues I saw.
>>> Because well, it's just the common
>>> situation with Android software - those binary blobs of unknown
>>> origin, just a step away from worms and sensitive-info stealing
>>> malware. Concerned partied should fight back.
>> I agree. It is good of you to fight back. Just figure out who the true
>> enemies are versus friends who didn't write a good README or took a
>> shortcut.
> Oh, it's for sure not about looking for enemies, it's about making stuff
> better ;-).
>> Best,
>>  Nathan

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