petervnv1 at gmail.com
Thu Jan 16 11:59:53 EST 2014
Please don't get me wrong. I'm not into US bashing at all. Quite the
And it is one thing to have US developers providing open source solutions
that anyone can audit, which is, quite rightly IMO, The Guardian Project's
approach, which I trust.
Another thing all together, as you rightly pointed out, is to have
proprietary security/privacy solutions sold commercially by US
corporations. That ship I believe has sailed given what we now know
(although probably most people on this list already suspected/knew anyway -
now we have confirmation).
And, as we all know, the threat to privacy is not just from USG. Look at
what India and Russia are doing and what other countries likely do in
I think Iceland is very savvy for transforming itself into a digital
privacy mecca. Kudos to them.
Still, the question remains. What's to stop Silent Circle from being served
a NSL or, more likely, have someone already on the inside watering things
I'd rather just use my own solution on my own server using open source
tools like the ones developed by you guys and not pay Silent Circle
On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 4:33 PM, Nathan of Guardian <
nathan at guardianproject.info> wrote:
> On 01/16/2014 11:07 AM, Peter Villeneuve wrote:
> > Perhaps I'm being overly paranoid, but to me, nowadays, security/privacy
> > and US company in the same sentence sounds like an oxymoron.
> While many of the Guardian core team are US citizens and residents, much
> like the Tor Project, we do our best to mitigate that "flaw" through
> transparency and decentralization.
> We do have a small private business that we use to get contracts related
> to mobile security work, but it has no rights over anything related to
> the Guardian Project code, source, etc. We also have posted notices
> about warrant canaries, etc and actively support fighting against things
> like National Security Letters (see my advisory position at Nick
> Merrill's Calyx Institute:
> Your paranoid is justified though when it comes to purchasing commercial
> hosting services. This is why we don't launch closed, for-pay centrally
> hosted services, and instead focus on open-source and teaching other
> people how to host their own infrastructure. While we have blurred that
> line with our Ostel.co service, we are eager to have others expand that
> network abroad, and are already underway with new instances coming
> online in Iceland, the Netherlands and Hong Kong.
> All in all, as an eighth-generation American (my family has been in
> California so long we used to be Mexican!), I do have some pride left in
> this beautiful land, and hope we can do some part to earn back what
> trust we still can.
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