[guardian-dev] Hi, i' new

Michael Rogers michael at briarproject.org
Tue Nov 15 07:23:46 EST 2016

Hi arrase,

Thanks for discovering this bug. Can you describe how Briar's Tor daemon
conflicts with Orbot? What problems does it cause? Our goal is for Briar
to be able to operate on the same device as Orbot without problems.


On 15/11/16 00:32, arrase wrote:
> I have reviewed the application of:
> https://briarproject.org/
> I have it installed and I see that when using its own Tor daemon it
> conflicts with Orbor and I think that is a problem.
> The people of briarproject could configure their application not to
> conflict with Orbot but I do not think that is a solution in the long
> term if it is intended that more applications use self-managed hidden
> services with ability to back up the service so as not to lose it
> between device changes .
> In my opinion extend the Orbot api for hidden services to open these to
> the development of applications that use them intensively would be a
> great idea.
> 2016-11-14 15:29 GMT+01:00 arrase <arrase at gmail.com
> <mailto:arrase at gmail.com>>:
>     2016-11-14 14:53 GMT+01:00 Nathan of Guardian
>     <nathan at guardianproject.info <mailto:nathan at guardianproject.info>>:
>         I'm happy to improve the hidden service API that Orbot offers to
>         make it
>         work for you. It is trivial for us to add support for requesting a
>         completely new hidden service.
>     In general terms and in my modest opinion I believe that extending
>     the support of hidden services as you say is a good way to take
>     Orbot to the next level.
>     Personally and I'm not an expert, I think the option of including
>     Tor built in an application is not the best option for several
>     reasons, i think Orbot should be the standard for building Tor
>     applications on phones but needs to be more flexible with the
>     configuration of hidden services.
>     I believe in the benefits of hidden services, for me it is the best
>     Tor has :) and I think they are a great vector to popularize Tor on
>     mobile devices.
>         Orbot can also support the temporary hidden service capability
>         in tor,
>         where you generate and provide the .onion key yourself. The issue is
>         that you have to do that each time tor is restarted.
>      I have not used ephemeral services since for now I have not found
>     them practical use so I do not know much about them, just that they
>     exist and how they are configured, i'm sorry.
>         As Hans said, Briar is already doing quite a bit with HS
>         management with
>         their built in Tor, but I do hope many apps will support HS without
>         building in tor as well.
>         You can also see what the Thali Project from Microsoft did here:
>         http://thaliproject.org/ThaliAndTorOnionProxy/
>         <http://thaliproject.org/ThaliAndTorOnionProxy/>
>       As Hans said the Briar project seems to be very similar to my
>     idea, maybe I can help instead of duplicating efforts, thanks for
>     the clue.
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