[Ssc-dev] Fwd: ObscuraCam Comment

Fri Jul 29 14:18:30 EDT 2011

And just to chime in, alot of WITNESS' other work in relation to this is on
the infastructural/norms side. In case folks are interested, I'm attaching
the draft of our upcoming report and recommendations (not for further
circulation) which relates somewhat to that, and the bigger pic of where we
see the tools development fitting.

So lets see if we get more detail on the comment!

S

On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Andrew Senior <andrew.senior at gmail.com>wrote:

> Yes, hard to respond without knowing what R's criticism really is.
> Nobody would claim that Obscura Cam will be a complete solution to the
> issues it's intended to address, and the current version is far from its
> full potential, but I would think anyone who really understands what we're
> trying to do would agree that it can address some of the issues and be a
> component in a more complete strategy.
> Andrew
>
> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:06 PM, Harlo Holmes <harlo.holmes at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I haven't followed the link, but I read the quoted comment inline.
>> Assuming, that's all the commenter wrote, I feel the commenter is holding
>> back from actually saying *why *he/she believes Obscura is an
>> insufficient answer to the security question.  And I usually associate such
>> terse negativity with snark.  However, I think Obscura opens up a space to
>> talk about how burgeoning technologies come to bear on privacy, and how
>> these battles are fought on multiple fronts simultaneously: technological,
>> social, and infrastructural (which borders on the economic.)  In its current
>> version, I believe Obscura tackles the issue on some of those fronts (partly
>> technological, partly social), and in later iterations, we will charge into
>> other fields as well.
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 9:54 AM, Bryan Nunez <bryan at witness.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> This is just a heads up that I'm approving a snarky comment on the OVC
>>> blog post about ObscuraCam.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://openvideoconference.org/2011/07/the-securesmartcam-project-protecting-human-rights/
>>>
>>> Not sure when the comment will go up, but feel free to respond ;-)
>>>
>>> -b
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: Bryan Nunez <bryan at witness.org>
>>> Date: Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 9:50 AM
>>> Subject: Re: ObscuraCam Comment
>>> To: Ernie Zahn <ernest at openvideoalliance.org>
>>> Cc: Benjamin Moskowitz <ben at openvideoalliance.org>, Sam Gregory <
>>> sam at witness.org>, Nathan Freitas <nathan at freitas.net>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Ernie,
>>>
>>> Yes of course post the comment.  One the goals of the project is to be as
>>> transparent and in the public as possible.  We welcome criticism and
>>> suggestions (even ones lacking in social tact).  Hopefully our negative
>>> commenter won't find it beneath him or her to explain why it's a bad idea
>>> and what we should be doing instead, since I assume we all share similar end
>>> goals.
>>>
>>> I'm cc'ing Sam and Nathan, since I'm sure they've got thoughts as to how
>>> to respond.
>>>
>>> Thanks for the heads up,
>>> Bryan
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 11:28 PM, Ernie Zahn <
>>> ernest at openvideoalliance.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey Bryan,
>>>>
>>>> Thank you again for sending me the interview answers. The post went up
>>>> on the 22nd and we recently received a rather negative comment from a
>>>> reader:
>>>>
>>>>> I love the Guardian Project, but this is a laughably bad idea.
>>>>>
>>>>> This the opposite of progressive, this is grasping at straws. An
>>>>> incredibly short-sighted approach to privacy.
>>>>>
>>>> In the interest of open discussion and not censoring, we'd like to
>>>> approve the comment and let it be publicly visible. We were wondering if you
>>>> or someone from WITNESS would take a moment to come up with a reply to the
>>>> comment. Let me know if this possible. Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Ernie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> Technology Manager
>>> WITNESS
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> Technology Manager
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